Catholic church – There is a human in the church leadership?
The fact that Jesus entrusted to Peter the keys of the kingdom of heaven gave him a specific task (example: At. 15:7b), but he not made him chief of the other apostles. This thing can not inherit, others can not inherit this task, It gave exclusively to Peter at that time. The same applies to the promise that he would loose or tied would be loosed in heaven that was given as a result of every Christian.
Let us now consider some of the events that took place after these two promises which prove that![JAP361607[1]](https://www.veritadellabibbia.net/wp-content/uploads/JAP3616071-300x195.jpg)
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Jesus did not represent a human head in the church. Matteo, Mark and Luke tell us that among the apostles there was a tendency to want to be larger than the other, but every time that Jesus took up again his disciples and teach them that they should not cultivate such thoughts, but rather follow his example came not to be served, but to serve.
Marco (9:33-35) and Luca (9:46-48) tell that following the promises that Jesus made Peter the apostles discussed which of them was the greatest (It made incomprehensible if Jesus had given to Peter the primacy). Jesus replied that he had established Peter as their head but takes them and says that whoever wants to be first will be last, and the servant of all.
The same principle is reaffirmed by Jesus when the mother of James and John asked later that her children could have the place to the right and the left of Jesus in his Kingdom. He said: “whoever wants to become great among you, be your servant; and whoever among you wants to be first, be your servant (doulos-schiavo)” (Mt. 20:20-27).
And once again Jesus reconfirms this principle when he takes up the vainglory of the Pharisees and scribes and forbids his disciples to want to be great and to be called fathers (Mt. 23:5-12 – practices later adopted by the Church against the express prohibition of Jesus) 1.
Note 1 In the West the name Pope (= father) used by all the Church was reserved to the bishops of Rome under Anastasius I (399-402).
The bishop was not only called Papa, but also most holy Father and His Holiness, terms in the Bible that apply only to God. Jesus called his Father “Holy Father” (Teacher. 17:11).
Expect a sinful creature represents in his charge the holiness of God is blasphemous.
The Bishop of Rome is also called the Supreme Pontiff.
The leaders of the pagan clergy of Rome took this name, They presided over the college of minor pontiffs, ie the subordinate clergy.
From Julius Caesar onwards, the Emperors assumed the office and name of the Supreme Pontificate, Graziano as long as you did not give up in the late fourth century.. Then the bishops if they took. The first Bishop of Rome who called himself Pontiff was Pelagio (555-561) -Migne, Patrologia Lat. CXXVIII, 611.
The Council of Nicaea (325) He had decreed that the Bishop of Rome fell into sin if he dared to assume the title of Supreme Pontiff -Baldassare Labianca: the Papacy, its struggles and events, its future; once. 45, Eaton. Mouth, Torino 1905.
Some other time Jesus said that in the new creation the twelve apostles will sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel (Mt. 19: 28). Even then there will not be a primacy between them. The same principle is confirmed by Revelation (21:14). These two steps, along with the standard declared by the apostle Peter before Pentecost (At. 1:21-22), they also establish that the number of apostles is limited to 12 and who have no successors. Not even Paul is one of the twelve, and he has no successors. still existed, and still exists, a wider apostolate. A missionary is an apostle (Ro. 10:15).
Peter has never claimed to be the head of the other apostles It does not appear in the New Testament that Peter has never claimed, or that it had a function of primacy among the apostles.. Peter declared to be “a senior with others” and that the Supreme Pastor is Jesus (1. Pi. 5:1-4). If Peter had been the head of the whole church he made a misrepresentation calling a simple elderly.
All the epistles of the apostles ignore the existence of a leader among them The apostle Paul speaks of the various ministries in the Church established by Jesus, but he never speaks of a human head on it (1. Co. 12:28; If. 4:11). If a Roman theologian, talking about the church hierarchy, forgot to mention the Pope, would as if an astronomer, talking about the solar system, forgot to mention the sun.
After the Ascension, the apostles appointed another apostle to replace Judas. Rather than get back all'infallibile Peter judgment, as they should have done, if he had been the Vicar of Christ, cast lots. Peter was not even to suggest the two proposed names (At. 1:23-26).
When the apostles heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent Peter and John there (At. 8:14). If Peter had been their leader would go on its own initiative or would send someone, but it would not have been sent (Teacher. 13:16).
Paul says that Peter was reputed as one of the pillars of the Jerusalem church (Ga. 2:9).
The first Council of the Church in Jerusalem was not chaired by Peter and the decisions of the Council were to announce in the name churches of the apostles and older brothers (At. 15:23-29).
Jesus Christ is the only head of the Church The Church of Rome does not deny that Jesus Christ is the head of the Church, but states that, since He ascended into heaven, Peter wanted to leave the Church as a visible head that makes his stead on earth. It also claims that this power would be transmitted after the death of Peter to the bishops of Rome, his legitimate successors.
If the Church was a human society would be understandable that there should be a representative in the absence of the head. But the Church is a divine work and his boss is MAN and God at the same time. Declare himself Vicar of Christ means putting yourself in the other Paraclete promised by Christ and ignore the promises and claims of Jesus made to his disciples. He said it was useful to them that he was gone, that would not have left them orphans on earth, but at all times it would be there until the end of time (Teacher. 16:7; 14:16, 18, 23; Mt. 28:28; 18:20). The priesthood of Christ does not pass to another to the fact that lives forever and is able to intervene in any place and at any time (Eb. 7:24; You. 1:10-12, 19-20).
The Apostle Paul explains in what way Jesus builds his Church (Mt. 16:18; If. 4:10-16). It is from heaven that He, and not Peter, establishes (woman) prophets, evangelists, pastor-teachers in (a) church.
The apostle Paul says that Jesus Christ is the head of the Church as the husband is head of his wife (If. 5:22-23). As it is impossible to conceive that the husband should establish a substitute or secondary head between him and his wife so it is inconceivable that a man takes the place of Christ in the Church.
Paul also states that God has put all things under the feet of Jesus Christ and gave “to be head over to the church, which it is the body of Him” (If. 1:22-23). The faithful are the different members of the body of which Jesus is the head. The symbol of the body formally exclude the existence of two leaders; unless you want to talk about a monster. So we have to give to Christ or to the Pope.
If it is said not to exclude Christ, declaring the head of the Church Pope, because Christ is the invisible head, the supreme leader, while the Pope is the visible head, subordinate, please those who argue that the theory you give us only one passage in the Bible in which it is said that the Pope is the Vicar of Christ and head of the Church, Also subordinate or secondary, or as they like to call it better.
In the Epistle to the Colossians (1:18-19) Paul proclaims Jesus Christ “head of the body, the church:”, to oppose the false teachers that troubled. They did not deny Christ openly, but denied it as sole head of the Church, and not with words, but with deeds, giving precepts and ordinances, under the pretext of piety. Doing this they are not adhered to the head (2:18-19).
These teachings emphasize how important it is that every individual believer realizes in his personal life the constant invisible presence of Christ in the person of the Holy Spirit. The dilemma in the Church comes when you ignore the presence and lordship of the Spirit, walking according to the flesh (Ga. 5:16; Cl. 2:6 itself.).
What is your ongoing relationship with Christ?
We want to follow the Christianity of the Bible. The biblical Church is a body made up of all the true faithful, united among themselves by the same Spirit and the joints established by their only head which is Jesus Christ (If. 4:16).
Personal conclusions
here… although I believe that there are many good popes and others less so, because goodness does not derive from the religious denomination, and despite the fact that I was very saddened by the death of John Paul II, (I've been in front of the TV for three days) because it was a pope who has made history and was a good man, the word of the Bible is another, and I continue to say that over the centuries has been altered to power and personal interests, so much so that the Catholic Church today is a powerful government, something that Jesus would not have wanted.
But why has all this changed over the centuries? We want to realize this?
ok, but when the risen Christ tells Peter to shepherd his sheep what he meant?
In this passage Peter is reintegrated into his apostolic mandate, through the three questions that Jesus asks him consecutively, in relation to his three past denials.
In his first epistle, Peter recalls this order of the Lord, explicitly condemning the claims of those who rely on these words of Jesus to claim, as self-styled successors of Peter, an absolute dominion over the universal Church.
“feed the flock of God which is among you, not watching him necessarily, but gladly, not out of greed for gain but out of good will, and not as ruling over those entrusted to you, but being the models of the flock.” (1 Pietro 5:2-3)
I thought about it, I do not understand: because Peter would need to be reinstated in his apostolic mandate? He was afraid but he did not lose faith for this; furthermore, all the apostles abandoned Jesus in the moment of danger and therefore denied him in fact: the others are not reinstated?
In my opinion, on the other hand, Jesus affirms that the greatest expression of love for him is to become a shepherd of souls and in this sense he recalls the three denials of Peter.: the good shepherd is willing to give his life for his sheep. And therefore it is precisely to Peter who thought about his own safety at the fateful moment of Christ's life that he says that he must be willing to pay with his life to defend the flock of God that will be entrusted to him.
Peter needed to be reinstated because he had DENIED Jesus!
“Anyone therefore will recognize me before men, I too will recognize him before my Father who is in heaven. But whoever will disown me before men, I too will deny him before my Father who is in heaven” (Matteo 10:32-34).
All the other apostles did not abandon him, but they died to testify to Him!
The only death of an apostle that the Bible records is that of James (proceedings 12:2). King Herod had James killed "by the sword" - probably a reference to beheading. The circumstances of the deaths of the other apostles can only be known from ecclesiastical traditions, therefore we shouldn't give too much weight to any other story. The most commonly accepted ecclesiastical tradition regarding the death of an apostle is that relating to the apostle Peter, who was crucified in Rome, upside down and on an x-shaped cross, fulfilling Jesus' prophecy (Giovanni 21:18). Here are the most popular "traditions" relating to the deaths of the other apostles.
Matthew suffered martyrdom in Ethiopia, killed by the sword. John faced martyrdom by being boiled in a large basin of boiling oil during a wave of persecutions in Rome. however, he was miraculously delivered from death. Then he was sentenced to exile and to mines on the island of Patos, where he wrote his prophetic book: the Apocalypse. Then he was freed and returned to present-day Turkey. He died very old, the only apostle to die peacefully.
Giacomo, the brother of Jesus (not officially an apostle), the leadership of the church of Jerusalem, he was thrown from a height of thirty meters - from the southeastern pinnacle of the Temple - for refusing to deny his faith in Christ. When they found out he had survived the fall, his enemies beat him to death with a stick. This was the same pinnacle that Satan took Jesus to as he tempted Him.
Bartolomeo, also known as Nathanael, went as a missionary to Asia. He testified in present-day Turkey and was martyred for preaching in Armenia, where he was skinned to death by whipping. Andrew was crucified in Greece on an x-shaped cross. After being violently whipped by seven soldiers, they tied his body to the cross with ropes to prolong his agony. His followers reported that, while he was being led to the cross, Andrea greeted her with these words: “I have longed for and waited for this happy hour. The cross was consecrated from the body of Christ, from which it hung”. He continued preaching to his tormentors for two days, until he died. The apostle Thomas was pierced by a spear in India during one of his missionary trips to found a church there. Mattia, the apostle chosen to replace Judas Iscariot, the traitor, he was stoned and then beheaded. The apostle Paul was tortured and then beheaded by the evil emperor Nero in Rome, in 67 D.C.. There are also many other traditions relating to the other apostles, but none with a truly reliable historical or traditional foundation.
It is not that important to know how the apostles died. What matters is that they were WILLING to die for their faith. If Jesus hadn't been resurrected, the disciples would have known. Nobody would die for something they know is a lie. The fact that all the apostles were willing to die horribly, refusing to give up their faith in Christ, it is overwhelming evidence that they had indeed witnessed the resurrection of Jesus Christ!
Gives: http://www.gotquestions.org/italiano/morte-apostoli.html
you're not contradicting me: the apostles were willing to die in order not to deny Jesus, but AFTER His resurrection, but when he was arrested they abandoned him, denying him in the facts-on a par with Peter…so I insist that then according to your reasoning, the others should have been reinstated as well
E’ It is clear that almost all the apostles abandoned him while he was being crucified, but since in the end they all died to bear witness to Him, then it means that Jesus after he was resurrected appeared to all of them, giving them reason to believe and spread the truth at the cost of their own lives. The Bible does not individually report all the appearances of Jesus to the apostles, but since, I repeat, all died for him, it means that it appeared to everyone, restoring the ministry and faith of all. If the Bible only mentions the case of Peter, it is because the message he wants to communicate to us is not to reveal that only he had this privilege, but that even him, who was the first to publicly acknowledge Jesus as the Christ, despite his triple denial, he was forgiven and could believe!
Or therefore, both me and them, so we preach, and so you believed. 12 Now, if it is preached that Christ has risen from the dead, why some of you say there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 So if there is no resurrection of the dead, not even Christ has risen. 14 But if Christ has not risen, therefore our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain. 15 Furthermore, we will find ourselves being false witnesses of God, for we have testified of God, that he resurrected Christ, while he would not have resurrected him, if truly the dead are not raised. 16 For if the dead do not rise again, not even Christ was resurrected; 17 but if Christ has not been resurrected, your faith is in vain; you are still in your sins, 18 and even those who sleep in Christ are lost. 19 If we hope in Christ only in this life, we are the most miserable of all men. 20 But now Christ has been raised from the dead, and it is the first fruits of those who sleep. (1Corinthians 15:11-21)
Also some of Jesus' last words were:
If you hadn't come and talked to them, they wouldn't be to blame; but now they have no excuse for their sin. 23 Who hates me, he hates my Father too. 24 If I hadn't done the works among them that no one else has done, they wouldn't be to blame; now they have seen them, and they hated me and my Father. 25 But this happened in order for the word written in their law to be fulfilled: “They hated me for no reason”. (Giovanni 15:22-25)