Catholics are Christians?
Yup. What makes us Christians is the belief in the deity of Jesus Christ, in the Holy Trinity. Catholics are Christians, the Orthodox and most Protestant denominations. Jehovah's Witnesses are not Christians, who reject the deity of Jesus.
On this subject most Christians think differently. If you ask any Protestant the evangelical, of any denomination, will have to object by saying that Catholics are pagans because they venerate the statues and address their prayers to the Saints and the Madonna. E’ true that they break the first commandments, but it is not up to us to judge, it will be God on the day of judgment to do it. They still believe in Jesus Christ as Savior. After all, this is what makes us Christians, believe that Jesus is God, believe in the Trinity.
If we ask the Catholics, instead, whether Protestants are Christians, they will have no doubts about answering in the affirmative, but they will add that they are”separated” as outside the true and only Church of Christ. So they question salvation. They attribute salvation not so much to being followers of Christ, but to the visible Church, to belong to it, to the Roman Catholic Church. This is not the case, the Bible doesn't say that, and the early Christians did not have a visible united church with a Pope at the head, but it was organized in many different and autonomous communities. All these independent communities formed the Body of Christ, that is, the invisible church of Christ. And so it is today. We would perhaps doubt that they had drifted because they were not yet part of that powerful institution which was formed centuries to come.?
ChristianFaith, I sincerely believe it is a serious mistake to consider Roman Catholics as brothers. E’ true that in the book of apocalypse, God sees in Babylon the Great a people who belong to Him. This does not mean that the Lord tells His disciples to get out of it and they demonstrate that they belong to the Almighty by obeying his voice.
Ciao,
Gaetano
And how can you be sure that Babylon is the Catholic church? Everyone sees something different in it. The Apocalypse is a metaphorical book, full of signs, very implied, you can't be sure what it means. Even if it seems to be that we can not be sure. Nor is it good to build doctrines on a prophetic book. Brothers are those who believe in Christ and his redemptive work. Catholics believe it. So I continue to consider Catholics my brothers, it will be God who will judge each of us, looking first of all at our heart and our faith, and then everything else.
There are many who CLAIM THEY ARE CHRISTIAN but each one will show an atheist a way CLEARLY different from the others to become one…
but since the fold has only one entrance door and the way to reach it is also only one (and tight too), only one among many will be the true Christian.
Morale: you can define yourself however you like and claim to believe in anything…
without necessarily having the qualification.
Catholicism is a form of PAGANISM SKILLFULLY DISGUISED AS CHRISTIANITY!!!
“John told him: -Maestro, we saw one casting out demons in your name and we wanted to stop him, why didn't he follow us-But Jesus said:-Don't stop him, because there is no one who performs a miracle in my name and can immediately speak ill of me:whoever is not against us is for us” (Mc 9:38-40)
“Therefore I declare you: no one who speaks under the action of the Spirit of God can say:-Jesus is anathema!-; and no one can tell:-Jesus is Lord-, except under the action of the Holy Spirit. (1Cor 12:3)
“Don't speak ill of each other, brothers. Who says bad about the brother, or judge his brother, speak against the Law and judge the Law. And if you judge the Law, you are not one who keeps the Law, but one who judges it. Only one is legislator and judge, He who can save and ruin; but who are you, you judge your neighbor?” (Gc 4:11-12)
“Anyone who denies the Son, he does not even possess the Father; whoever professes his faith in the Son also possesses the Father” (1Teacher 2:23)
“Who has the Son , it has life; who does not have the Son of God, it has no life” (1Teacher 5:13)
this is to say that it is faith in Jesus Christ that makes a person a Christian, and that should be enough to save him; of course, it can be said that the Bible forbids offering worship to anyone other than God, and it can be said that a Christian should know the Bible without going through filters. But many Catholics certainly know the Bible well and this does not lead them to change their behavior: then it is fair to say that probably almost everyone does it in good faith and it is fair to say that even if they kneel in front of the statues this does not mean that they lose their faith in Jesus. So we can judge and remove them from the rest that will be saved? I don't feel like doing it
I don't feel like doing it either! You find me perfectly in agreement. I find that in the evangelical world there is too much anti-Catholicism and this is not always good.
It is not the church that saves but Jesus: if a Catholic accepts Jesus and has faith in him, second, it will save me. However, only God can decide.
There is no good faith, but the only faith that saves us from the wrath of God and is that which is received by receiving Christ as personal Savior and Lord. God will show them that He shares glory with no one since He alone is God while those for whom they kneel are the work of man (dumb idols) as the writing declares them. Indeed, the Thessalonians were: “converted from idols to God” 1Tess.1:9
Yup, but it's not for you to judge and say! If it will, God will. The Bible says many things, but main thing says that salvation is through faith in Christ Jesus and you can not judge the faith of a Catholic and say if he has it or not, because he has other superstitions: not everyone has. God saves individual individuals regardless of belonging to a religion. I cannot say that all Catholics will not be saved, but I'm sure also that many, many evangelicals will not be saved, even though they believe it, and this because in that day God will give them hypocrites. Let's just respect each other, to pray for everyone and not always to point out Catholics, we pass for anti-Catholics and this is not a good thing, because they see us as those who bring hate, and this is not the fruitage of the spirit. Pace!
But even Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons could be saved?
I do not think so: they deny the divinity of Jesus Christ, which is the essential requirement for salvation.
I, time ago, I had talked to a Mormon and she had not denied the divinity of Christ.!?
No, they are antitrinitarian and do not recognize the divinity of Jesus. Like Jehovah's Witnesses, they say he is the son of God, but not God himself! Understood? And then, in addition to a lot of bullshit that teach about genesis, the snake, Adamo , Satan, etc, they believe in the Book of Mormon written by one in the 1800 which he said was inspired by God. Mormons give this book the same authority as the Bible and say it is another testament of Jesus.
ok
If truly a Catholic is born again according to the grace which is in Christ Jesus by faith alone, he will be called to leave that religious system and follow God according to the counsel of his word.