The Bible forbidden: a dialogue between a Protestant and a Catholic

The following topic is the exchange of views that arose between me and a Catholic girl regarding a document on the Bible that has been banned by the Church throughout history. The following document, which is published by her in defense of the Catholic Church, can be found by clicking here.

the dialogue between a Catholic and a Protestant? Every time I try, I find myself in these situations, it all ends up in the air, without answers. Put your back to the wall, when you tell the truth, I get the goodies out of the blue, that is “I want to dialogue peacefully not to argue” but who is it that wants to fight? I only exhibit the Bible. From these discussions, if I reread them, I find only mine as a normal and coherent attitude, even if hard and firm, and theirs like that of people who no longer know what to say and change the subject appealing to the fact that they are not charitable because they do not understand, and they close the door in my face. This is the meaning of charity? Well, if I had agreed with them, I would have stayed Catholic!

Do it first to say “Ok, there are no scriptural references, but I want to believe in my human institution, the Catholic Church!” you make a better impression instead of clinging to scarce biblical contents always taken out of their context and then building a dogma on them.

 

ChristianFaith:

When I hear these things….

This pope says:

887 D. What should a Christian do if he were offered the Bible by a Protestant or some Protestant emissary? R. If a Christian were offered the Bible by a Protestant, or by some emissary of the Protestants, he should REJECT IT IN HORROR, because it is prohibited by the Church (THE CHURCH is GOD?); than if he had received it without paying attention, he should quickly THROW IT TO THE FLAMES, or deliver it to your parish priest.

I am having a good laugh and am amazed at how you can listen to these crazy words!

888 D. Because the Church prohibits Protestant Bibles? R. The Church prohibits Protestant Bibles because they are either ALTERED and contain ERRORS, or, lacking his approval and the declarative notes of the dark senses, they can harm the Faith. For this reason the Church also prohibits translations of Sacred Scripture already approved by it, but reprinted without the explanations approved by the same.

OUR BIBLES ARE THE BEST BECAUSE THE MOST ADHERENT TO THE ORIGINAL TEXTS, THIS THING IS’ IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN RECOGNIZED EVEN BY CATHOLICS, BUT THIS OCUMENT AND’ A BIT’ OLD!

NOTES ARE NOT ESSENTIAL, BECAUSE WITH THE NOTES YOU DON'T LET THE BIBLE SPEAK IT MUST DO IT ALONE, BUT YOU HAVE A HUMAN DOCTRINE INTERFERED!!!WE PROTESTANTS, DESPITE THE VARIOUS NAMES, WE HAVE NO DOUBT THAT SALVATION IS BY GRACE, THAT THE SAINTS AND THE MADONNA DO NOT PRAY BECAUSE E’ IDOLATRY, THAT THE FIGURE OF THE POPE DOES NOT EXIST, THAT THE CHURCH FOUNDED AT THE TIME BY CHRIST NONJ E’ AN INSTITUTION LIKE THE VATICAN IS AND THAT THE CHURCH OF CHRIST SHOULD NOT BECOME WHAT IT IS’ BECOME TODAY: RICH AND POWERFUL TO SHAME! AND IDOLATRY IN DOCTRINES.

From what pulpit the sermon comes from? From a human institution that has done nothing but sin and teach false doctrines forever and ever. Perhaps another human being such as a pope or a bishop is so divine that he has the power to be able to better interpret the Scriptures of poor people.??? E’ hallucinating all this, even a little bit would be enough’ common sense. The Bible is for everyone and through it the Spirit of God speaks to you and guides you. Read a little’ my conversion posted on my blog. I am not saying all this Irene against you, but I have to respond to the absurdities and lies written in the article you uploaded!

I confirm the Westminster Canon at the end of the article and I am also convinced that the “false church that has corrupted even the elect by leading them into idolatry” both the Catholic one. What could this false church sit on 7 you mount in a rich and commercial city that has fornicated with all the kings of the earth? later called Babylon ?(Peter used this term referring to Rome in his letters, because he could not name Rome)

A bit’ of objectivity would not hurt, just a little’ common sense and analysis of Scripture in the smallest detail. Just open your eyes. God's church is not that, or rather it was that in the early centuries, but then it got corrupted, and that is why a Reformation was needed.

“Come out of her, my people, so that you do not become accomplices in her punishments”

Read the Bible (without notes and from the beginning) instead of reading the opinions of human beings.

:))))

A greetingoooooooooooo

Oh by the way, I would not want you to misunderstand me with what I wrote! You are in good faith and you have faith. I did not mean that all Catholics are not saved, because what the Bible says is that “whoever has Christ has eternal life” even if you then commit sins, such as idolatry, what I firmly believe, however, is that He will punish the human institution that is at the head of it!
Ciao

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Irene:

Ah, after what you wrote, my sister, my joy of belonging to the Catholic Church has increased ^ ___________ ^

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ChristianFaith:

That is, you like to go against the Bible and follow human institutions? What prompts you in my words to want to belong to the Catholic Church? Maybe Satan is in me, I preach the Bible? Or perhaps it is in men who divert and distort the biblical message by winning the absoluteness of decisions?

Father Angelo also said nonsense, I went to visit the site http://www.amicidomenicani.it/leggi_sacerdote.php?id=1108 , he said that we Protestants have removed the Second Letter of Peter from the canon because it speaks of the interpretations of the prophetic books which must not be done personally, and it is a lie, because we have the whole New Testament as you do, the same books, the NT that speaks of the message of salvation. I have read so many bad things about us accused of ignorance when it is absolutely the opposite. He doesn't even know the Protestant canon, did not investigate, and like everyone, goes after the Vatican without giving himself the benefit of the doubt, without knowing. On the other hand, I come from Catholicism and I know its doctrines very well, morality and history. The great reformers were men of culture! Do not forget that Luther (not to mention Calvino) I was a Catholic and studied on the Catholic Bible, and that's where they didn't pay him back. It was then, as a response to the Protestant Reformation, that the Catholic made the deuterocanonicals official in 1546 during the Council of Trent to justify purgatory and prayer for the dead, like the Maccabees, obviously uninspired book because it is full of historical errors (and God's books contain no errors) and its author in the end declares it as his own and uninspired work. The apocryphals do not even contain quotations in the New Testament, that is, no one mentions them and talks about them as they do for the other books of the Old Testament. Then not even the Jews to whom the Old Testament was entrusted by God, they recognize them as uninspired, in fact we have their own Hebrew canon for the Old Testament. You will have so much to write, but I go off topic. Because Protestants were born after 1500? The Bible until then had been for the clergy in Latin, so no one could read it and then it was placed in the Forbidden Books index, absurd no? The word of God forbidden to the people! And thanks to Luther then it was within everyone's reach. We are not to blame if we have found inconsistencies between the biblical message and Catholic teachings. We want to follow God's Word and not human precepts.

If you read 2Pietro 1:12-21 in its context (text that according to Father Angelo we would have removed from the canon), and not just the phrase quoted by Father Angelo, read the whole paragraph:

Therefore I will take care to constantly remind you of these things, although you know them and are steadfast in the truth which is with you.
And I think that's right, as long as I'm in this tent, to keep you awake with my exhortations.
I know that soon I will have to leave this tent of mine, as our Lord Jesus Christ let me know.
But I will do my utmost to ensure that after my departure you will always have the opportunity to remember these things.
In fact, we have made known to you the power and the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, not because we have gone after cleverly invented fables, BUT BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN EYEWITNESSES OF HIS MAJESTY.
He, indeed, he received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice that came to him from the magnificent glory told him: «This is my beloved Son, in which I am pleased".
AND WE HEARED THIS VOICE WHICH CAME FROM THE SKY, WHEN WE WERE WITH HIM ON MONTE SANTO.
We also have the firmest prophetic word: you would do well to pay attention to it, as to a shining lamp in a dark place, until day breaks and the morning star rises in your hearts.
Know this first: THAT NO PROPHECY OF SCRIPTURE COMES FROM A PERSONAL INTERPRETATION; IN FACT NO PROPHECY EVER CAME FROM THE WILL OF MAN, BUT MEN SPOKE FROM GOD, BECAUSE DRIVEN BY THE HOLY SPIRIT.

It means that the apostles, in this case it is Peter who speaks, they have seen and heard the prophecies they tell and for this reason they are true, things come from God and they must believe them.
But what does this have to do with the later oral tradition? All the message spoken of is contained in Scripture and in what the apostles say, it does not mean that posterity who have neither seen nor heard will have the right to interpret and tell about them!!!

And this would be the biblical proof that supports the Tradition of the Church?

One thing then you should reflect: when the church speaks and teaches what is written in the bible ok, but when he then goes away and teaches things not contained in the Bible and therefore in opposition, or even condemned in the Bible, you should ask yourself why.

Jesus invites us to sincere faith, to doubts and reasoning, ours need not be a dogmatic faith:

Jesus said to him: «”He loves the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND”. Matteo 22:37

With sincere affection I wish you a good day

Why don't you read the Bible? why don't you read my conversion on my blog?
Apart from the Apocalypse which is a prophetic book and the interpretation can vary, if you want, but what about the rest?
I know that there is none worse blind than one who does not want to see and worse deaf than one who does not want to listen. Belief in papal and human infallibility, it is ABSOLUTELY not biblical my dear.
A sincere hug

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Irene:

“What if I had the gift of prophecy and knew all the mysteries and all the science, and possessed the fullness of faith so as to carry mountains, but I did not have charity, I am nothing.” (1 Cor 13, 2)

PACE ^___________^

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ChristianFaith:

Perfect, but that has to do with the discussion? 😀
It was the apostles who had the gift of prophecy! We just have to rely on what they said and follow their message, which was passed on to the saints once and for all:

Dear, having a great desire to write to you of our common salvation, I found myself forced to do so to exhort you to fight strenuously for the faith, which was TRANSMITTED TO THE SAINTS ONCE FOREVER.
E’ clear that we have to follow what they said and that's it. later he talks about the false doctors. In fact it follows later:
Because certain men have infiltrated your midst (FOR WHICH THIS SENTENCE HAS BEEN WRITTEN FOR A LONG TIME); wicked who turn the grace of our God into debauchery and deny our only Master and Lord Jesus Christ. Judah 3-4

What do you think of this warning? Perhaps the Catholic Church has not allowed the mediation and veneration of others and Mary in the apparitions perhaps does not declare herself co-redemptrix? The MOTHER OF GOD church does not declare it? which presupposes its own greatness and perhaps even more, having created in creator?
It says a lot to me… how do you not see it? Judas exhorts us to believe what they said and not what they will say next.

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Elena:

per l’ChristianFaith, I think that without Mary Jesus is INCONCEIBLE, in all senses. Without her one cannot understand or even conceive.
Then if you love someone you don't defame their mother or try to belittle or underestimate her.
Hi ladies!

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ChristianFaith:

My dear Irene, to speak the truth gracefully is perhaps to lack charity? I don't feel like I'm lacking in charity, here we are talking about truth and without taking offense we are talking. The important thing should be not to offend Jesus on whom the two of us have founded our faith, or am I wrong?

Because it seems to me that, when I bring you Bible proof, you want to divert the conversation?

Please then, answer me what I told you, otherwise we will never be able to understand each other. Then this of Tradition goes hand in hand with Mary, because it is a doctrine added later and by the church that has no basis in the Bible, indeed it collides against us, for this reason it is good to clarify this point too. I'm just giving you biblical bits to back up what I'm saying and I'd like you to answer me based on that without changing the subject, please.
With love and respect

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Irene:

ChristianFaith,
I already told you kindly: let's only talk one at a time, let's focus on that other post about the Virgin Mary which is already a VERY HUGE topic! You know better than me how long it is, and you started it yourself, I didn't choose it.
If we disperse in other posts with other arguments, what do we get to? A disperderci, just.

Let's do one thing at a time, calmly.

Then, when we finish that speech, we will continue on the Council of Trent, Tradition and everything you want.

Sounds like an assault to me, said in all sincerity, brotherly non-correction. I respect your view, but I, I repeat, I wouldn't do that.

Hi Ele 🙂

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ChristianFaith:

Ok Irene, let's just talk about Maria 🙂
but if you keep posting new posts on other topics the comments are obvious 🙂
It's not an assault, you put a lot of meat on the grill and I'm limiting myself, I'm not answering everything I want. I would have to answer everything. If you post, it means you want us to read and then comment, Or you just want us to read without objecting but just approving?
You understand? If you limit yourself more with new topics I will limit myself with new comments.
Let's go to Maria now, still waiting for you on the other side 😉
ciao

Ah, and for the behavior we are not all the same, that doesn't mean yours is better than mine. Even the apostles got angry when they preached, and anyway I never got angry, it's just that I have so many things to say and I write a lot about nature, you don't have to take it as an assault.
I look forward to your answers about Maria, hello again

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@Elena:

Jesus can never be INCONCEIBLE, because He is God the Creator! Can the Creator ever be inconceivable??? He must need a human to complete his plans? Didn't he create the first man and woman out of nothing????

If there hadn't been Maria there would have been another. This does not mean that one must venerate it or give it merits that no one in the Bible gave it and not even the early Christians.
Jesus, belittled a woman from the crowd who had highlighted her mother, instead inviting people to follow the Word

While he was saying these things, from the crowd a woman raised her voice and said to him: "Blessed is the womb that bore you and the breasts at which You nursed!But he said:
"Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and put it into practice!» Luca 11:27-28

Nobody belittles Mary of the Bible, she is a true example of faith to be imitated. But from here to go against all biblical teaching (and the prayer to the deceased and therefore the saints) it did not happen!
You used the word “to defame” be careful what you say and understand. Jesus would be more distressed to know that people do not follow his exhortations and biblical commandments (as he also said) than to see his Word followed by thread and by sign! All this is very serious and if He were here He would admonish these things, as he did with that woman. And as all Scripture has always condemned, in both the Old and New Testaments.
The Bible should be read to grasp the concept, But.

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And the dialogue ends like this.